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so the last time I did this I had brown

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hair it's true that's true

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does this bring back memories to your

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first trip to the ranch well yeah I mean

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the only other time we did this was the

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first trip that I ever made here and we

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built the fire and we made a bunch of

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noise did kind of the kind of things

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that this group has been doing today and

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yesterday and tried to attract the

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attention to something it didn't work

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and you know whatever's that's here it

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it plays by its own rules it shows you

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what it wants to when it wants to that

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for needs when they came in they came in

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like gangbusters and there was a debate

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should they try a technical approach

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scientific approach or should they maybe

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back off contact shaman psychics remote

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viewers they end up bringing a lot of

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technical expertise and equipment

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scientific measuring equipment to try to

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figure out what's out here and basically

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science got its ass kicked because it

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was unable to come up with any answers

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whatsoever collected a lot of

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information but the phenomena itself

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always seemed to be one step ahead of of

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the team that was trying to figure it

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out I you know I don't know whatever is

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here it toys with whomever is trying to

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figure it out I mean it plays games the

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messes with your mind it seems to know

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what you're gonna do before you do it

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and it gives you glimpses only when you

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don't expect it and you're not ready for

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it and so I don't know if anybody's ever

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gonna be able to figure it out but it's

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a it's it maybe that's the point of it

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it's a learning curve you know it's it's

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meant to be the challenge the journey of

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getting there as opposed to figuring out

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the final answer and and you know there

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there's a suggestion from what's here is

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all these different phenomena that you

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wouldn't normally associate with each

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other UFOs and poltergeist poltergeist

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and Bigfoot Bigfoot and cattle

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mutilations all those things in one

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place it's almost like it's telling us

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they're all related on some level and

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it's up to you to figure it out I mean

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so I've been out here you know a number

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of times with you and I've really had

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nothing but I've wanted to have an

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experience that was it was not good to

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be honest with you I did because I

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wanted to see for myself but I've only

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had really good experience I tried to

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trick myself into feeling like

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something's terrifying but I've just

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felt good

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you brought a bunch more people out this

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time I mean it's your guys first time

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and every time is different i'll admit

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that for sure every time it's different

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and I know you Mark you wanted to come

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for 20 years to this place because of

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the stories about it and Robbie it's

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your first time and we talked before and

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it was like we didn't know like maybe a

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little scary but you didn't expect to

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see anything but be cool if you did my

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question would be to you is have you

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ever been to hell I'm assuming what you

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mean by that is like personal hell

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what's my darkest moment have I felt

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that depth of despair mm-hmm and I'd say

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I think everybody has had those moments

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if they've lived a life but I don't know

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the level of that despair compared to

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yours or someone else's but I have

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recovered from that and so for me it's

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like in the sense of saying yes but I

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don't know how it equates to yours

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because I for me personally you know

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about difficulties with substance abuse

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etc etc in found myself in places that I

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would deem to be hell on earth for quite

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a length of time and my reservation

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would be if it was just scary I could

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deal with that but if I have a

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hitchhiker that comes on and takes me

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over I couldn't deal with that so I'm

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scared of that but we do have a saying

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in England and it's in for a penny in

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for a pound I'm I'm here so I might as

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well and I survived the last one but

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only just

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home and they just what about a

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different kind of hell I mean you've had

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other experiences that were very

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frightening that were not self-inflicted

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yeah but they they are you know they're

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they they're the cocaine of paranormal

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experiences what do you mean it's gone

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in 15 minutes you know

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I've had brief encounters with the

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phenomenon

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yeah brief encounters with the phenomena

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but you know I don't know maybe I did

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take something home a long long time ago

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because I was I don't know I was talking

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to you today but I was saying it's

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either George or mark the roundabout at

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the same time that my wife came into my

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life me being scared in my own skin by

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myself in my bedroom stopped - and I

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thought being a 44 year old that it was

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because I've now been grown accustomed

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I'm now I fit into my own skin and I'm

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I'm not scared anymore like I used to be

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and my wife's gone away for a couple of

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weekends I can assure you that it's

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alive and well so I either have a isn't

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that is mine or there is a hitchhiker I

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don't know if I can afford any more

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hitchhikers so I'll say that out loud -

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The Hitchhiker's of the galaxy don't

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come home with me but we'd like to

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experience you in some way why don't you

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say that instead of me we all talk about

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evidence like you know I'm making a film

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about this and everybody was well what's

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the evidence I want to see the evidence

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well what is evidence - is evidence a

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photograph is it a video you know what

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is evidence to you well to me a lot of

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what I have is witness testimony witness

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testimony is evidence we use it in court

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it is something that I find most

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compelling depending upon the witness so

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seen from witness testimony on this trip

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especially you Robbie today do you find

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that as evidence do you find that

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compelling what people have told you on

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this trip I find it compelling but I

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found it I find it also I find it the

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way that when I relate my stories about

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what's happened to me you know as nobody

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takes what I say home as evidence that

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something happened I wouldn't be here if

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I didn't believe that there was some

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source of

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extra activity out of the realms of what

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we understand do I take at home you know

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in the court of law

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ish but not yes

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yeah ish and I guess deserve become a

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point where for example just the ranch

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the stories at the ranch a lot of

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witness testimony is is on this does

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that stack of paper does that testimony

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be at some point become so weighty that

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it just has value you know and that's

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that's something I'm struggling with you

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know being an outsider after you've been

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there but that's not that's the thing

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you know like the boom of the internet

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and all the information that you callate

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just by being obsessed with this kind of

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thing is you can collect too much

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information and then you have to

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disseminate disseminate filter you know

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distill the truth and this is part of me

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distilling the truth from what I've read

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on the internet so sometimes you can

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have too much information like ATS is

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what you're talking about

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I'm learning to undo everything that

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your website has done to my brain and I

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love you too David yeah I mean for me

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this place is then some it's been a

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place I've been trying to get to for 25

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years ever since George first brought it

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to the world and you know and you did

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I've been the tree as the owner of above

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top-secret comm how could I not be and

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I'm here I was so excited to be here and

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I have to tell you that I'm not

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disappointed

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I felt really kind of like everybody

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else I felt very calm and peaceful here

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definitely hoping and sort of wishing

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for something to happen but I'm okay

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that nothing has the question what is

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evidence the witness testimony is what

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got me into this

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I mean Admiral of demos pilots I mean

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that's what initially got me into this

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stuff so yes that has wait but what I'd

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love to see you know

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a portal open up right there yeah I

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really would

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as long as it stays right there

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yeah I guess I'm just a personal

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struggle I have it's just I've got the

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point where I just I don't have the

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luxury of disbelief anymore I don't know

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what that means it doesn't mean I know

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anything I just don't have the luxury of

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disbelief and I don't know how better to

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say it oh I wish it was a better way

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because it doesn't complete it so yeah I

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guess that the only thing that stops me

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from going hey I'm a full-on believer is

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because of what other people think if

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I'm honest I've just sat here you know

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contemplating what my motives are you

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know it's okay

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I believe there's other stuff there I've

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said it you know I always try and

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qualify that with but I'm not sure

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because it might be crazy and don't

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worry about me I'm just an idiot you

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know but you know I I do believe and

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hence why I'm here if I was you I'd be

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able I think I would say I know because

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you have seen and had you've had

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experiences that are so sober and close

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and tactile and physical it if I had had

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the experiences that you have had I

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would say I know I can't say that yet

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I'm sure that I'm sure they've if they

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or the others sat round going how many

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times Robbie how many times this [\h__\h]

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guy what do we need to do exactly

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exactly

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cuz the amount of things that have

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happened to me over my life yeah you

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should you're right I should not have

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the luxury to disbelieve either you

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shouldn't need to say you believe you

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should be able to say you know I mean I

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mean I don't know cuz evidence it proof

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to somebody is is different you know to

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everybody and also I am starting to see

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this pattern that it's constantly having

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to remind you of its existence of the

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the cosmic connective existence it's

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almost like it it needs to remind you

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year after year that there's something

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greater going on and that that's its job

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is to gently reinforce its presence to

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you that's what it seems like from your

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experiences it might have been doing

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than doing over this time but I'm

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totally theorizing right now but it

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feels like that to me but the life

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stories that where we are fed on a daily

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day basis are so concrete and are so a

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hundred percent when something happens

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outside of those beliefs and the stories

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you've been fed of course you're going

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to question yourself and of course

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you're gonna question your own sanity

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and even though I said I believe I think

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that it's also healthy to go hey you

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might be crazy well listen that's I

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think something that I really respect

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out of the way that George has taught me

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to come and approach one of the things

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that George said to me is that every

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source if it seems good too good to be

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true dig deep or dig deeper and he's

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constantly said that so it's like the

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idea that no matter how much information

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we get you should always have some sort

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of healthy skepticism to keep a clear

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lens you know for what you're doing is

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that what you would would you agree with

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that that is absolutely true I thought

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this trip might be different because of

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Rob because the experiences that he's

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had that maybe this time we'd come in

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they'd say oh well it's Rob well you

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know no pressure let him in no pressure

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the bait did you really see last time

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with me this time you would know I I

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understand that I'm I'm the bait thank

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so I guess I just want to hear a little

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bit you know from George like you've

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told us the big picture you've told us

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you know what people think it might be

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you know your your kind of history here

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so now finally you know you've allowed

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me to rummage through your archive its

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pull stuff out and and make this

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documentary what is it that you are

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trying to give to people about this

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experience that you've gone through for

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20 years why do you want this out now

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well I mean what I've got out of it is

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sort of what dr. colum Kelleher got out

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of it and some of the other people with

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nits were involved in the study both as

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knids and then it has bass that it seems

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to be an overarching lesson of the

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universe is more mysterious and wondrous

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and complicated than we imagined the

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reality itself isn't what it used to be

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that we should start thinking bigger but

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the physical stuff we see around us

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isn't all there is to it there's

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something else and we should probably

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try to figure it out maybe that's a

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matter of survival maybe it's a learning

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curve to we're in grade school and maybe

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we'll get to junior high and then high

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school and eventually graduate reality

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is more complicated than what it might

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yeah that's where you walk away normally

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normally that's a second I'll do that

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again yeah he's like he's like I won't

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do that it's the best classic I'm gonna

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do a whole montage of him just walking

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off my [\h__\h] cameras no walk away yeah

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that's what I'm saying

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he's like I'm like dawn yeah that Matt

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or is that a skinwalker all this was

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lots of gold Jesus Christ does that

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matter skinwalker damn it listen mark